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Comments on: Jon Shenton: Some Thoughts on Action vs Angle Bets https://rpapi.ggzssd.co.uk/2019/12/23/jon-shenton-some-thoughts-on-action-vs-angle-bets/ Just another geegeez site Sat, 28 Dec 2019 10:51:02 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.15 By: Jonny11 https://rpapi.ggzssd.co.uk/2019/12/23/jon-shenton-some-thoughts-on-action-vs-angle-bets/#comment-98 Sat, 28 Dec 2019 10:51:02 +0000 https://www.geegeez.co.uk/?p=2800415#comment-98 In reply to Bubbles180.

Thanks Bubbles, it’s a personal thing, whatever works for the individual. Just being systematic is too dry for me, but treating action bets for what they are is important for the way I bet personally now.

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By: Jonny11 https://rpapi.ggzssd.co.uk/2019/12/23/jon-shenton-some-thoughts-on-action-vs-angle-bets/#comment-97 Sat, 28 Dec 2019 10:49:19 +0000 https://www.geegeez.co.uk/?p=2800415#comment-97 In reply to Chris Worrall.

It definitely does remove the emotion, which is both a good and a bad thing for me. Since thinking about this article I’ve done an action bet reset and am basically using non-system data (i.e. using reports data from this site) to pick some action bets. Data that generally isn’t strong enough to build an angle around but still indicates above average performance. I can then apply a bit of subjective filter and get the best of both. It’s working thus far! Early days though.

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By: Chris Worrall https://rpapi.ggzssd.co.uk/2019/12/23/jon-shenton-some-thoughts-on-action-vs-angle-bets/#comment-96 Sat, 28 Dec 2019 08:45:29 +0000 https://www.geegeez.co.uk/?p=2800415#comment-96 I suppose one of the things about a systematic approach to betting is that it removes much of the emotion away from placing a wager and I’m certainly of the bet with your head, not your heart way of thinking.

I’ve made a profit every year for at least 15 years now by adopting a systematic/formulaic/statistical way of betting and if I’ve multiple qualifiers in the same race, I back them all if the fit the rules of the system they’ve come from.

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By: Bubbles180 https://rpapi.ggzssd.co.uk/2019/12/23/jon-shenton-some-thoughts-on-action-vs-angle-bets/#comment-95 Fri, 27 Dec 2019 17:19:38 +0000 https://www.geegeez.co.uk/?p=2800415#comment-95 Like many here I also am a systematic angle based backer now using Report Angles and QT (when I can get it to work on my IPAD, any help their appreciated)
I very much was a like that one he will do backer or everyone is on that i will back that, I do however still have the time during the day and have some bets when i know i shouldn’t because I have the racing on, it is my biggest downfull and c9sts me profit, but as stated early in postinit is a problem and i need to remove it from my betting and stick to my systematical betting.
Thanks for the post JS inspiring to know it works for many people so News Year Resoloution is to bet correctly and SYSTEMATICALLY

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By: Jonny11 https://rpapi.ggzssd.co.uk/2019/12/23/jon-shenton-some-thoughts-on-action-vs-angle-bets/#comment-94 Wed, 25 Dec 2019 08:54:42 +0000 https://www.geegeez.co.uk/?p=2800415#comment-94 In reply to Legsy.

thanks Legsy, interesting thoughts. I’ve looked at a few things over time including the 100/1000 stated. Never hugely been comfortable about varying stakes but on the back of this article/comments I’m going to do some reading / testing over the xmas break. Although in honesty, quite happy with level(ish) for now but if I understand the mathematical reasons for changing and it’s simple then evolution may happen!

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By: Jonny11 https://rpapi.ggzssd.co.uk/2019/12/23/jon-shenton-some-thoughts-on-action-vs-angle-bets/#comment-93 Wed, 25 Dec 2019 08:49:12 +0000 https://www.geegeez.co.uk/?p=2800415#comment-93 In reply to hillsy945.

Hi, so I have qualms about backing multiple horses in the same race as long as there is some value in doing so. For example, if I had 4 qualifiers in a race all priced say 8/1 or larger I’d still back them. 2 qualifiers in a race priced 6/4 and 9/4 I’d leave alone. 2 qualifiers priced 2/1 and 12/1 I’d back both. No hard and fast rules but that’s the kind of framework I use.

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By: Legsy https://rpapi.ggzssd.co.uk/2019/12/23/jon-shenton-some-thoughts-on-action-vs-angle-bets/#comment-92 Wed, 25 Dec 2019 06:55:49 +0000 https://www.geegeez.co.uk/?p=2800415#comment-92 In reply to Jonny11.

Suggest you evaluate a simple but perhaps more effective staking plan.
There’s a maxim that you should have more on longer priced animals because, I think, you have found an unpopular angle.
Just as a bookmaker tries to lay every horse to “take out” a theoretical 100, back your horses to win,say, a theoretical 1000 eg 170 on 5/1, 400 on 6/4.
If you manage a random sample, it would be interesting to hear results. All the best, Legsy.

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By: hillsy945 https://rpapi.ggzssd.co.uk/2019/12/23/jon-shenton-some-thoughts-on-action-vs-angle-bets/#comment-91 Tue, 24 Dec 2019 22:51:07 +0000 https://www.geegeez.co.uk/?p=2800415#comment-91 Jon (et al…)

With the angles-based approach, how do you manage the situation when there are multiple selections in one race?

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By: micka72 https://rpapi.ggzssd.co.uk/2019/12/23/jon-shenton-some-thoughts-on-action-vs-angle-bets/#comment-90 Tue, 24 Dec 2019 19:51:21 +0000 https://www.geegeez.co.uk/?p=2800415#comment-90 another exellent article as usual jon.dont get too despondent.keep up the good work merry christmas

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By: RAY https://rpapi.ggzssd.co.uk/2019/12/23/jon-shenton-some-thoughts-on-action-vs-angle-bets/#comment-89 Tue, 24 Dec 2019 13:55:25 +0000 https://www.geegeez.co.uk/?p=2800415#comment-89 Brilliant article,Jon.I am sure anyone who keeps detailed records of their little systems will relate to the stories therein.

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