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Comments on: Geegeez NH Trainer Rankings 2019/20 https://rpapi.ggzssd.co.uk/2020/04/14/geegeez-nh-trainer-rankings-2019-20/ Just another geegeez site Sat, 18 Apr 2020 19:24:27 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.15 By: TomWool https://rpapi.ggzssd.co.uk/2020/04/14/geegeez-nh-trainer-rankings-2019-20/#comment-663 Sat, 18 Apr 2020 19:24:27 +0000 https://www.geegeez.co.uk/?p=2803249#comment-663 Plenty of info there to get us thinking Matt.

I’ve developed my own method of assessing a trainer’s form and, always keen to learn more, I’m particularly interested in how you created your dataset and the criteria you’ve used. Your ‘earnings per run’ is something I hadn’t considered before and I’ll investigate that further with a view to incorporating it into my work.

Thanks again for maintaining the content and quality of geegeez.co.uk during these pandemic lockdown days.

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By: Matt Bisogno https://rpapi.ggzssd.co.uk/2020/04/14/geegeez-nh-trainer-rankings-2019-20/#comment-662 Wed, 15 Apr 2020 10:51:49 +0000 https://www.geegeez.co.uk/?p=2803249#comment-662 In reply to Brian Harvey (East 17).

Fair point. There’s always a lot of writing, unapologetically so. Readers may skip the text and view the data as they wish.

The point about different presentation of some factors is perfectly fair. I could definitely have done a graph of the top ten overall by each ranking factor.

Will consider that for next time.

Matt

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By: Brian Harvey (East 17) https://rpapi.ggzssd.co.uk/2020/04/14/geegeez-nh-trainer-rankings-2019-20/#comment-661 Tue, 14 Apr 2020 17:41:55 +0000 https://www.geegeez.co.uk/?p=2803249#comment-661 Too much writing, not enough graphs

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By: Matt Bisogno https://rpapi.ggzssd.co.uk/2020/04/14/geegeez-nh-trainer-rankings-2019-20/#comment-660 Tue, 14 Apr 2020 17:03:51 +0000 https://www.geegeez.co.uk/?p=2803249#comment-660 In reply to James Fairrie.

Thank you very much, James, for those very kind words.

Regarding trainer breakdown by discipline, that certainly is interesting. Anthony’s stats are always much better for both NHF and chases, mainly because plenty of horses have at least three runs where they can’t be competitive before acquiring a handicap mark. Once in the appropriate grade, they can show what they have; that often comes, as you mention, in the following seasons over a fence.

Catch up soon,
Matt

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By: James Fairrie https://rpapi.ggzssd.co.uk/2020/04/14/geegeez-nh-trainer-rankings-2019-20/#comment-659 Tue, 14 Apr 2020 15:29:08 +0000 https://www.geegeez.co.uk/?p=2803249#comment-659 Hi Matt, as always a mine if information and meticulous stats. The suggestion about ranking based on Chasing/hurdling/bumpers would be interesting. Anthony has established a reputation in the bumper category as you know; JohnJo has over the years been regarded as a better trainer of Chasers than hurdlers. And so it goes on. But the stats over a 3 yr period would be telling if only for the fact that it takes 3 yrs for a promising chaser to prove his relative mettle and for a trainer consistency in that category depends so much on the quality of what he is sent to train and the patience of his Owners. I have always particularly admired younger trainers like Anthony who don’t really have the quality stock to deploy to effect on the bigger days especially Saturdays to attract the wealthier Owners but still prove capable of topping the winners:runners table and places:runners table.
I agree that Ben Pauling and Olly Murphy are trainers to follow next season. Interesting they both learned their trade under Henderson. You do a fantastic job Matt and delighted you are part of this syndicate JamesF

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By: Matt Bisogno https://rpapi.ggzssd.co.uk/2020/04/14/geegeez-nh-trainer-rankings-2019-20/#comment-658 Tue, 14 Apr 2020 12:51:01 +0000 https://www.geegeez.co.uk/?p=2803249#comment-658 In reply to Mal Boyle.

Sorry to hear you’ve been poorly, Mal, and very glad to hear you’re on the mend.

Good to hear from you, stay well now.

Matt

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By: Matt Bisogno https://rpapi.ggzssd.co.uk/2020/04/14/geegeez-nh-trainer-rankings-2019-20/#comment-657 Tue, 14 Apr 2020 12:48:48 +0000 https://www.geegeez.co.uk/?p=2803249#comment-657 In reply to Gordonf.

Hi Gordon,

Yes, absolutely they are! As I said in the article, that’s for another day.

But it’s certainly something worth knowing and, for any given runner on any given day, you can see that information within Gold’s Trainer Snippets report (and in the Trainer Data view inline on the cards).

Best,
Matt

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By: Gordonf https://rpapi.ggzssd.co.uk/2020/04/14/geegeez-nh-trainer-rankings-2019-20/#comment-656 Tue, 14 Apr 2020 12:05:54 +0000 https://www.geegeez.co.uk/?p=2803249#comment-656 Well done all very intersting and revealling. I know this was a way of finding the top trainers but can I add another element. I wonder how thing would be if trainers were rated by the three elements of the game, Hurdles, Chases and Bumpers, or indeed five elements including handicap hurdles, handicap chases. Some trainers might just be better in the different strands of our favoutie game. Just a thought.

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By: Mal Boyle https://rpapi.ggzssd.co.uk/2020/04/14/geegeez-nh-trainer-rankings-2019-20/#comment-655 Tue, 14 Apr 2020 11:19:18 +0000 https://www.geegeez.co.uk/?p=2803249#comment-655 Great work as ever Matt – just coming out of Day 14 of the virus so reading thing was a well timed tonic – and then some!

Keep up the great work, best regards to Chris – Mal

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By: sfwplant https://rpapi.ggzssd.co.uk/2020/04/14/geegeez-nh-trainer-rankings-2019-20/#comment-654 Tue, 14 Apr 2020 11:04:04 +0000 https://www.geegeez.co.uk/?p=2803249#comment-654 Thanks Matt, plenty to take in here. I’m just looking at running a couple more systems for NH trainers next year. Nicholls in Feb has been a money maker for me over quite a long period and I’m looking for something else to mine a few quid from. I’ve always been of a mind that to do this consistently you need to be with the ‘big’ boys (deliberately vague definition) and Pipe’s revival might well provide a way in given the nature of his operation even during the recent lean times. This is mostly driven by the fact he has always had good horses at Pond House? Like yourself I’m a fan of Ben Pauling and here’s hoping there’s money to be made (at least) early in the season.

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